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-== Style/Formatting Guide ==+'''To request a user account for this wiki, please follow the steps on the [[New User]] page.'''
-Do we need to have a "style guide" to standardize how we represent certain functions or types of info? +== Wiki Discussion ==
-We have three "regular editors" now, plus a fair amount of legacy content from the old wiki (which had another handful of editors/contributors). We seem to represent only one type of thing consistently among the three of us + legacy content:+For general discussion of the NeoWiki, please visit the [http://trinity.neooffice.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewforum&f=16 NeoWiki forum] on trinity.
-*<tt>paths</tt> (incl. paths ending with a filename) or <tt>terminal commands</tt>+= Obsolete Discussion =
 +== just a test ==
 +i've upgraded to 1.6.8, just making sure things are working.
-Other things seem to vary widely:+--[[User:Jake|Jake]] 14:43, 6 August 2006 (CDT)
-*Menus submenus (: or -> or something else)+==Discussion RE: "versions" on [[Main Page]]==
 +''the other version in question is OOo; also, pls update Fr and De when editing)''
 +--[[User:sardisson|sardisson]] 05:41, May 28, 2006 (CDT)
-*Menus (standalone in text, i.e., Choose the Tools menu--sometimes '''boldface''')+If that's the case, it's pretty unclear. Someone coming to the wiki may have never heard of OO.o. Also, "the other version" was clearly originally written as a comparison with NeoOffice/C (then called NeoOffice). In fact, I think it was introduced by something like: "This is the site for not one, but two versions" of OpenOffice for Mac... As far as editing the other langauges, sorry... :) --[[User:Waldo|Waldo]] 18:44, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
-*Filenames (standalone--seem to be mostly <tt>typewriter</tt> or '''boldface''')+Jake pretty explicitly set up the text so that "the version for new users" is Neo and "the version of UNIXy people" is OOo. Maybe that's unclear in the context of the Welcome message (which has been that way ever since Neo/C got moved to a single link over a year ago), but as long as we still have OOo-related content here, it's valid. We need to discuss with Jake the future of the OOo-related content, or other changes....
 +--[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 23:38, 28 May 2006 (CDT)
-*"Dialogue/window titles" or "Preference Option Name" (sometimes '''boldface''', sometimes in "quotes")+i have been trying to keep the oo.o sections up to date with information. as little documentation there is for OO.o on the mac, i think that it is important. now that trinity doesn't have an oo.o section, and the porting group will have nothing to do with anything with the word 'neo' in it, i'm not sure how many people will see it though.
-Should we agree on a wiki style for the latter types and adhere to it from here on out, and clean up the older stuff as we get time or modify those article?+to comment on your comment waldo, the original wiki stated it was not for one, but THREE versions of openoffice.org for the mac...
---[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 04:27, 29 Apr 2005 (CDT)+and it may be time to clean up the 'talk' page. [[User:Jake|Jake]] 20:46, 29 May 2006 (CDT)
-Good question. Having worked on a Gentoo wiki or too, i have to say I was impressed with their [http://gentoo-wiki.com/Template_Listing templates] that give a unified look to the whole thing. I think a style guide is not a bad idea.. here are some suggestions.+==User Addition==
-# bold all filenames, menu items, application names, or any text string that appears on-screen. this will facilitate readability tremendously, especially when following instructions.+I have made it so only sysops can make users. this will hopefully help with the spam. it also means, however, that we will need a way for new users to contact us to get an account. Like this [[New User]]
-# put "pre" or "tt" tags around all typed Terminal commands (or use something similar to the gentoo templates.)+
-# When describing procedures to be done that involve rooting through menus, list the menu items in the order they appear to the user. for example: "In the menu bar, under the '''File''' item, select '''Save'''."+
-# I think that writing directions out in English has several advantages over the "Item 1 > Item 2" method of indicating options/navigation. For one thing, there is not much room for misunderstanding when you say "Make sure that the '''whatever''' radio button is selected." or "Press the '''Ok''' button to continue." Also, it is more accessible, I think, to a newbie user who may not be familiar with the 'item->item' shorthand.+
-# When issuing a series of instructions, I think it's always a good idea to express to the user what will happen next, ie "Press the '''Ok''' button. A window labeled '''Preferences''' will appear."+
-I'm sure I'll think of more style stuff... this is just a start.. I think the gentoo wiki templates really help unify the site and the navigation stuff facilitates site organization and helps you get around easily. 
---[[User:Waldo|Waldo]] 04:46, 29 Apr 2005 (CDT)+--[[User:Jake|Jake]] 15:02, 10 October 2005 (CDT)
-FWIW here is a [http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Update_to_GNOME_2.10 sample HOWTO] I wrote for gentoo. This was the first one I wrote, and it was really easy w/the templates... see how it fits w/the entire site?+==Templates==
 +I added a section into the editing page with current templates. Hopefully this will keep wheel inventing to a minimum. I divided it into style templates and content templates. If you know more, please add them (and if we have any crossovers, lets consoldate).
---[[User:Waldo|Waldo]] 05:25, 29 Apr 2005 (CDT)+--[[User:Jake|Jake]] 14:12, 18 October 2005 (CDT)
 + 
 +==To-do==
 +* <strike>Enable link to [[New User]] on the [[Special:Userlogin]] page</strike>
 +* get new user email to work...
 +* Rewrite foo on the page titles of the language-specific wikis
 +*: i.e., so [[Fr:Accueil]] appears as "Accueil" but keeps the namespace internally, since it's needed for cross-language links.
 +* Make the cross-language links show up in a box in the sidebar, just like at wikipedia
 +* <strike>Enable additional shorthands so the language-specific pages can easily link to an article in their version of the Wikipedia
 +*: In the English wiki, we go [[Wikipedia:XML]], but we need a shortcut [[Wikipedia:fr:XML]] or something, so the French pages don't have [[Wikipedia:XML]] [en] or the longhand links
 +*: There's some file you ([[User:jake|jake]]) can edit to add these
 +*: I think this might be related to the cross-language links/namespace stuff, actually</strike>
 +*: Nevermind, the shortcut I entered works, at least for French :-)
 + 
 +I've also added a new Category, Fixme <tt><nowiki>[[Category:Fixme]]</nowiki></tt> for articles that need substantial updates or fixes. Don't tag the [[Rebranding]] stuff, but pages that are otherwise out of date or stub articles can be tagged and we can get a collection.
 + 
 +--[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 04:17, 8 November 2005 (CST)
 + 
 +==NeoWiki Style Guide==
 + 
 +Please adhere to the NeoWiki Style Guide when adding new pages or editing existing pages. The Style Guide can be found in [[Help:Editing]].
 + 
 +=Main_Page content questions and discussion=
 + 
 +When did we lose "NeoOffice/J" or the like from the first sentence below Welcome? We talk about 3 apps on the main page; which of them is the "Mac OS X port of OpenOffice.org"? Or are we meaning that generically? People who visit the main page might be confused?
 + 
 +--[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 18:33, 28 Mar 2005 (CST)
 + 
 +i put NeoOffice back in... there is a definate confusion i think amounst all of the NeoOffice pages about what Neo really is. I've started talking to Ed and Patrick about it. so, more to follow.
 +--[[User:Jake|Jake]] 11:47, 29 Mar 2005 (CST)
 + 
 +I thought back in December it was decided to go with "NeoOffice/J" through the 1.x releases and "NeoOffice" once it hit 2.0 and had "full" aquafication?
 + 
 +I think we need to try and get "NeoOffice" out of use for a while as an app name ("NeoOffice.org" and "the NeoOffice project[s]" excepted) because "NeoOffice" the app still means NeoOffice/C to a lot of people (hard to promote the new name of an app if the app was renamed after development ceased :D), and it's confusing to use NeoOffice for /J, too.... Anyway. My head is foggy tonight....
 +--[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 01:12, 30 Mar 2005 (CST)
 + 
 +FWIW I agree.. I'd use neooffice/J and /C up until the 2.0 release. I think that's clearer. The downside is people think it's written in java, but oh well. --[[User:Waldo|Waldo]] 14:14, 30 Mar 2005 (CST)
== Random Quotes Idea == == Random Quotes Idea ==
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--[[User:Waldo|Waldo]] 14:21, 22 Apr 2005 (CDT) --[[User:Waldo|Waldo]] 14:21, 22 Apr 2005 (CDT)
-=='' More Notes - Proper Page Nameing ==+==What's Left To Do==
-'''For page names, use spaces.''' NeoOffice/J Screenshots looks better than NeojScreenshots as a page header. =) AND media wiki lets us. +* Templates (let's hide some of these wacky headers, tabs, edit buttons, and get a larger default font?)
 +: Here's the MediaWiki CSS reference http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_styles (next time I have a weekend.... [[User:sardisson|sardsson]])
-been doing some editing of the community and editing help, and random pages. some make sense, some are just partial notes to me of what i want it to say, so don't be afraid to add on. +* Plus that NeoWiki:Copyrights link at the bottom needs its details :-)
- +
--j+
- +
---[[User:Jake|Jake]] 12:06, 1 Feb 2005 (CST)+
- +
-There's a two-step process to completely fixing our naming problem.+
- +
-# Go the the page you want to rename+
-# Open the "What links here" link (in the sidebar toolbox) in a new window/tab+
-# Click the "move" tab at the top of the page you want to rename+
-# Enter a new name, e.g. NeoOffice/J Screenshots and move the page and associated talk, if applicable; this moves the page to the new name and brings the history, etc., along.+
-# Go to each of the pages in the "What links here" page and fix the links, e.g. NeoOffice/J_Screenshots+
-## MediaWiki will automatically redirect arrivals at the old page to the new (moved/renamed) page but we want to phase the old ones out and keep the links up to date.+
-### I really love the "What links here" and "Move" features!+
-## I've already done NeoOffice/J Screenshots (sorry, Jake, you'll have to update the NeoOffice.org links again, but for now people are just redirected with a little notice at the top of the destination)+
- +
-OK, I guess that wasn't exactly two steps. Conceptually it's two steps :-)+
- +
-P.S. the noeditheader thing is really nice. I assume that's going into the template so we don't have to add it to every page manually?+
- +
---[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 17:26, 1 Feb 2005 (CST)+
- +
- +
-BTW, each header is also turned into an anchor, if you ever want to point people to a specific section of a page...thus, the "status of migration from the old wiki" section below can be targetted as http://neowiki.sixthcrusade.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page#Status_of_migration_from_the_old_wiki +
-(that's a mouthful!)+
- +
---[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 00:00, 24 Mar 2005 (CST)+
- +
-==== All Pages Renamed! ====+
- +
-At least I think so. Plus, anytime you want to link to the main NeoJ wiki page, you can just do <nowiki>[[NeoOffice/J]]</nowiki> and the wiki will interpret it as [[NeoOffice/J]]—no need to do the piped link thing anymore.+
- +
---[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 03:37, 27 Mar 2005 (CST)+
- +
- +
-== Main_Page content questions and discussion ==+
- +
-When did we lose "NeoOffice/J" or the like from the first sentence below Welcome? We talk about 3 apps on the main page; which of them is the "Mac OS X port of OpenOffice.org"? Or are we meaning that generically? People who visit the main page might be confused?+
- +
---[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 18:33, 28 Mar 2005 (CST)+
- +
-i put NeoOffice back in... there is a definate confusion i think amounst all of the NeoOffice pages about what Neo really is. I've started talking to Ed and Patrick about it. so, more to follow. +
---[[User:Jake|Jake]] 11:47, 29 Mar 2005 (CST)+
- +
-I thought back in December it was decided to go with "NeoOffice/J" through the 1.x releases and "NeoOffice" once it hit 2.0 and had "full" aquafication? +
- +
-I think we need to try and get "NeoOffice" out of use for a while as an app name ("NeoOffice.org" and "the NeoOffice project[s]" excepted) because "NeoOffice" the app still means NeoOffice/C to a lot of people (hard to promote the new name of an app if the app was renamed after development ceased :D), and it's confusing to use NeoOffice for /J, too.... Anyway. My head is foggy tonight....+
---[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 01:12, 30 Mar 2005 (CST)+
- +
-FWIW I agree.. I'd use neooffice/J and /C up until the 2.0 release. I think that's clearer. The downside is people think it's written in java, but oh well. --[[User:Waldo|Waldo]] 14:14, 30 Mar 2005 (CST)+
-== Notes from the jake-of-all-trades ==+=== Notes from the jake-of-all-trades ===
Ok, so I found out more about the skins. they are generated almost entirely by PHP. This is good, my PHP is better than my CSS, but this also means that i have to be careful as to not break anything. I'll play with it some later. Main things, to see about moving some of the top things to 'logged in only' mode and to get more links on the side (to match the main page) Ok, so I found out more about the skins. they are generated almost entirely by PHP. This is good, my PHP is better than my CSS, but this also means that i have to be careful as to not break anything. I'll play with it some later. Main things, to see about moving some of the top things to 'logged in only' mode and to get more links on the side (to match the main page)
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--[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 17:26, 1 Feb 2005 (CST) --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 17:26, 1 Feb 2005 (CST)
 +----
-== Status of migration from the old wiki == 
-Quick note from waldo: I brought everything over from the old wiki. At least I think i did. Note that some of the link names ahve changed to be more uniform and/or compliant with the neo->neo/c change. --W+=Old Discussion on adopting MediaWiki as the new NeoWiki=
- +==Wiki software successfully installed.==
-Unfortunately, [[User:Sardisson|sardisson]], [[User:Ovvldc|Ovvldc]], and others continued to edit the old wiki until it was defaced and closed on 19 Jan 2005. So we have to update every page (and some newly-created pages) to get back in sync. Remember to verify that the link/page names are the same here, r.f. Waldo above fixing our Neo->Neo/C mess :-) Plus that NeoWiki:Copyrights link at the bottom needs its details :-)+
- +
-MediaWiki creates its titles/splits words on underscores (Rv_Bm not RvBm; displayed as Rv Bm), for future links.+
- +
-==== What's Been Done ====+
- +
-* The "Neo/J Tips and Hints" section is now up-to-date with the old wiki. --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 02:40, 21 Jan 2005 (CST)+
- +
-* The "OpenOffice.org/X11" section should now be up-to-date with the old wiki. --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 03:10, 21 Jan 2005 (CST)+
- +
-* The entire Neo/J section is now be up-to-date with the old wiki (plus some new items). --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 04:52, 21 Jan 2005 (CST)+
- +
-* The Neo/C section is now up-to-date with the old wiki (within the framework of Waldo's simplifed page structure) --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 00:42, 25 Jan 2005 (CST)+
- +
-* The More info section is now up-to-date with the old wiki --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 00:42, 25 Jan 2005 (CST)+
- +
-'''This means the migration is complete!'''+
- +
-==== What's Left To Do ====+
- +
-* Templates (let's hide some of these wacky headers, tabs, edit buttons, and get a larger default font?)+
-: Here's the MediaWiki CSS reference http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_styles (next time I have a weekend.... [[User:sardisson|sardsson]])+
- +
-* Plus that NeoWiki:Copyrights link at the bottom needs its details :-)+
- +
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- +
- +
-== Wiki software successfully installed. ==+
Please see [http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_i18n documentation on customizing the interface] Please see [http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_i18n documentation on customizing the interface]
and the [http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_User%27s_Guide User's Guide] for usage and configuration help. and the [http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_User%27s_Guide User's Guide] for usage and configuration help.
- 
- 
-== Old Discussion on adopting MediaWiki as the new NeoWiki == 
==== New Section ==== ==== New Section ====
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-[[User:Sardisson|sa]] -[[User:Sardisson|sa]]
 +
 += Front Page Re-org =
 +
 +not really a redesign, per se (though i want to figure out what is wrong with the tables), but just a re-org idea. Basically lets move the /c to the bottom and make it ONLY a single line of text, something like "to see legacy information on the /c version, click here" and then move the X11 part up, maybe make it feel not so much like a stepchild. Of course we'll drop the /J from Neo (yay!) and just talk about how it uses cocoa and java to make magic happen. (does that make patrick and ed elves? hmm...) so like this (example is text only)
 +
 +NeoOffice - Cocoa and Java!!
 +
 +NeoLight - Spotlight, OpenDocuments, Happiness!
 +
 +OO.oX11 Cool stuff for Unix Geeks!
 +
 +Neo/C - Archive, you REALLY want Neo
 +
 +thoughts?
 +
 +--[[User:Jake|Jake]] 08:25, 24 October 2005 (CDT)
 +
 +edit, started a sandbox front page to test stuff:
 +[[Newmainpage]]
 +--[[User:Jake|Jake]] 08:49, 24 October 2005 (CDT)
 +
 +So what is up with the table for OOo? The same exact structure we use for Neo/J, Neo/C, NeoL...works in a completely different way for OOo. How odd?!
 +--[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 17:59, 24 October 2005 (CDT)
 +
 +
 +do you mean on the new front page or this one? the tables never seem to work right with me, the image sometimes over the text, the text doing weird word wrap around the image, seems to be varied on my screen size (and maybe browser, haven't tested too much).
 +
 +--[[User:Jake|Jake]] 08:51, 26 October 2005 (CDT)
 +
 +
 +The new one. The tables/text/images are all fine on the existing [[Main Page]] in every browser I've tried. Maybe if you'd use something more current than Chimera ;) and its Gecko 1.0.1. I suppose we could do full, manual tables to make you happy, but there's a lot more markup/mess involved :-(
 +--[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 08:58, 26 October 2005 (CDT)
 +
 +
 +=P but you are probably right. As for the new page, i took out the table stuff on the oo.o part while i was working on it, hence why the difference =) and we should probably stay away from as much pure HTML as possible, just to keep it simple. i think.
 +
 +--[[User:Jake|Jake]] 10:47, 26 October 2005 (CDT)
 +
 +
 +yet again, i want to work on the front page. i think there should be a top section devoted more to download links, especially now that we have oo.ox11 for intel and neo1.2.1 out. i'd like to highlight neolight better for OO.o users as well... hmm. still thinking, will work on newindexthingy and see what I come up with...
 +
 +--[[User:Jake|Jake]] 15:38, 24 March 2006 (CST)
 +# (diff) (hist) . . ! Template:NeoOfficeDescp; 02:41 . . Sardisson (Talk) (reverted Waldo's edit; the other version in question is OOo; also, pls update Fr and De when editing)
 +# (diff) (hist) . . m! Template:NeoOfficeDescp; 02:39 . . Sardisson (Talk) (Reverted edit of Waldo, changed back to last version by Sardisson)

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Wiki Discussion

For general discussion of the NeoWiki, please visit the NeoWiki forum on trinity.

Obsolete Discussion

just a test

i've upgraded to 1.6.8, just making sure things are working.

-- 14:43, 6 August 2006 (CDT)

Discussion RE: "versions" on Main Page

the other version in question is OOo; also, pls update Fr and De when editing) --sardisson 05:41, May 28, 2006 (CDT)

If that's the case, it's pretty unclear. Someone coming to the wiki may have never heard of OO.o. Also, "the other version" was clearly originally written as a comparison with NeoOffice/C (then called NeoOffice). In fact, I think it was introduced by something like: "This is the site for not one, but two versions" of OpenOffice for Mac... As far as editing the other langauges, sorry... :) --Waldo 18:44, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

Jake pretty explicitly set up the text so that "the version for new users" is Neo and "the version of UNIXy people" is OOo. Maybe that's unclear in the context of the Welcome message (which has been that way ever since Neo/C got moved to a single link over a year ago), but as long as we still have OOo-related content here, it's valid. We need to discuss with Jake the future of the OOo-related content, or other changes.... --sardisson 23:38, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

i have been trying to keep the oo.o sections up to date with information. as little documentation there is for OO.o on the mac, i think that it is important. now that trinity doesn't have an oo.o section, and the porting group will have nothing to do with anything with the word 'neo' in it, i'm not sure how many people will see it though.

to comment on your comment waldo, the original wiki stated it was not for one, but THREE versions of openoffice.org for the mac...

and it may be time to clean up the 'talk' page. 20:46, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

User Addition

I have made it so only sysops can make users. this will hopefully help with the spam. it also means, however, that we will need a way for new users to contact us to get an account. Like this New User


-- 15:02, 10 October 2005 (CDT)

Templates

I added a section into the editing page with current templates. Hopefully this will keep wheel inventing to a minimum. I divided it into style templates and content templates. If you know more, please add them (and if we have any crossovers, lets consoldate).

-- 14:12, 18 October 2005 (CDT)

To-do

  • Enable link to New User on the Special:Userlogin page
  • get new user email to work...
  • Rewrite foo on the page titles of the language-specific wikis
    i.e., so Fr:Accueil appears as "Accueil" but keeps the namespace internally, since it's needed for cross-language links.
  • Make the cross-language links show up in a box in the sidebar, just like at wikipedia
  • Enable additional shorthands so the language-specific pages can easily link to an article in their version of the Wikipedia
    In the English wiki, we go Wikipedia:XML, but we need a shortcut Wikipedia:fr:XML or something, so the French pages don't have Wikipedia:XML [en] or the longhand links
    There's some file you () can edit to add these
    I think this might be related to the cross-language links/namespace stuff, actually
    Nevermind, the shortcut I entered works, at least for French :-)

I've also added a new Category, Fixme [[Category:Fixme]] for articles that need substantial updates or fixes. Don't tag the Rebranding stuff, but pages that are otherwise out of date or stub articles can be tagged and we can get a collection.

--sardisson 04:17, 8 November 2005 (CST)

NeoWiki Style Guide

Please adhere to the NeoWiki Style Guide when adding new pages or editing existing pages. The Style Guide can be found in Help:Editing.

Main_Page content questions and discussion

When did we lose "NeoOffice/J" or the like from the first sentence below Welcome? We talk about 3 apps on the main page; which of them is the "Mac OS X port of OpenOffice.org"? Or are we meaning that generically? People who visit the main page might be confused?

--sardisson 18:33, 28 Mar 2005 (CST)

i put NeoOffice back in... there is a definate confusion i think amounst all of the NeoOffice pages about what Neo really is. I've started talking to Ed and Patrick about it. so, more to follow. -- 11:47, 29 Mar 2005 (CST)

I thought back in December it was decided to go with "NeoOffice/J" through the 1.x releases and "NeoOffice" once it hit 2.0 and had "full" aquafication?

I think we need to try and get "NeoOffice" out of use for a while as an app name ("NeoOffice.org" and "the NeoOffice project[s]" excepted) because "NeoOffice" the app still means NeoOffice/C to a lot of people (hard to promote the new name of an app if the app was renamed after development ceased :D), and it's confusing to use NeoOffice for /J, too.... Anyway. My head is foggy tonight.... --sardisson 01:12, 30 Mar 2005 (CST)

FWIW I agree.. I'd use neooffice/J and /C up until the 2.0 release. I think that's clearer. The downside is people think it's written in java, but oh well. --Waldo 14:14, 30 Mar 2005 (CST)

Random Quotes Idea

I wish that MediaWiki had an option to do a "random quote"-- ie, something like:

?This is quote one|this is quote two|etc?

where every time you loaded the page, one of the above choices would appear.

Why?

I'd love to see random testimonials like this on the front page:

"I am in love" --AnonyCoward

"Tx to all of you guys to make this wonderful alternative to MS Office." --PD150

"I downloaded Neooffice yesterday and am flabbergasted" --Falk

etc

--Waldo 22:08, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT)

That would be cool! Can we suggest it for the next version?

--sardisson 10:11, 22 Apr 2005 (CDT)

I suppose it couldn't hurt to try. Maybe the other idea is to do a page of endorsements, complements, thanks, and kudos from the public and just link to it.. call it "testimonials" or something..?

--Waldo 14:21, 22 Apr 2005 (CDT)

What's Left To Do

  • Templates (let's hide some of these wacky headers, tabs, edit buttons, and get a larger default font?)
Here's the MediaWiki CSS reference http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_styles (next time I have a weekend.... sardsson)
  • Plus that NeoWiki:Copyrights link at the bottom needs its details :-)

Notes from the jake-of-all-trades

Ok, so I found out more about the skins. they are generated almost entirely by PHP. This is good, my PHP is better than my CSS, but this also means that i have to be careful as to not break anything. I'll play with it some later. Main things, to see about moving some of the top things to 'logged in only' mode and to get more links on the side (to match the main page)

Ideally I'd make a page that looked just like Tavi for the unlogged, and then when you logged in this would be what you saw, but we'll see.

THe front page (neooffice.org) should be updated.

I was trying to think of a way we could make a 'developer' page for us to discuss the wiki (maybe even experiment) without getting in the way of the main site. more to follow.

-j ps. chimera doesn't like the editing type buttons.

What "editing type buttons"? And why are you still using Chimera? -sa

the buttons at the top of the edit window, you know dig sig and things like that. and i use chimera because i don't like camino. (see rant in trinity)

-- 07:00, 1 Feb 2005 (CST)

Ah, well, they do work in Camino. I missed the rant but I'll look it up :-)

--sardisson 17:26, 1 Feb 2005 (CST)


Old Discussion on adopting MediaWiki as the new NeoWiki

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New Section

WikiWords don't seem to work here; unsure whether this is good or bad.

Overall, MediaWiki will take a little bit of getting used to (the new/different formatting conventions in the wiki), but it seems nice enough in my limited time playing around (hmm, how do I set my timezone?) If it can lock it down a bit (so that people at least must log in--deter the casual folks who I think are the ones messing with things now) it might be worth it, if Jake feels he can get the template set up OK.

Lots of pages in the old wiki are only linked from one other page, so care will be needed bringing it over....

--sardisson 23:11, 30 Dec 2004 (CST)

More sections

I personally dislike WikiWords because they are too techie and frequently you do not want them to link. Time zone is set in your preferences page, BTW. I find MediaWiki nice to administer as well, though I haven't tried editing the skins.

New version (1.4.0) is coming out soon (I helped test it - busy little ant). Not that many new features that you'll need here, though.

BTW, you can set it up to only allow registered users to edit by putting the following line into your localsetting.php: 

$wgWhitelistEdit = true;

Ovvldc 19:05, 1 Jan 2005 (CST)

Another section

So, I now think this looks really busy, too many little "edit" buttons all over and tocs and links and so forth. (Thanks, Waldo, for bringing everything over...it made things easier to see in a real-life comparison!) Don't know if editing the templates can help here or not. Hmm. What're the latest feelings about this, jake?

--sardisson 02:27, 14 Jan 2005 (CST)

i think the style of the media wiki is to have all of those edits.

however, that should be a sign, if there are 'too many' edits, the page is probably too long (unless it is a FAQ or something) and perhaps some organization is needed.

(?)

It puts the little edit thing every place you have a header/section. I've turned them, and the annoying tables-of-contents, off in my user prefs, so it's surely possible to disable them in your new template, too :-) I think the place the "edits" most bothered me was on the main page and now the FAQ....

-sa

Front Page Re-org

not really a redesign, per se (though i want to figure out what is wrong with the tables), but just a re-org idea. Basically lets move the /c to the bottom and make it ONLY a single line of text, something like "to see legacy information on the /c version, click here" and then move the X11 part up, maybe make it feel not so much like a stepchild. Of course we'll drop the /J from Neo (yay!) and just talk about how it uses cocoa and java to make magic happen. (does that make patrick and ed elves? hmm...) so like this (example is text only)

NeoOffice - Cocoa and Java!!

NeoLight - Spotlight, OpenDocuments, Happiness!

OO.oX11 Cool stuff for Unix Geeks!

Neo/C - Archive, you REALLY want Neo

thoughts?

-- 08:25, 24 October 2005 (CDT)

edit, started a sandbox front page to test stuff: Newmainpage -- 08:49, 24 October 2005 (CDT)

So what is up with the table for OOo? The same exact structure we use for Neo/J, Neo/C, NeoL...works in a completely different way for OOo. How odd?! --sardisson 17:59, 24 October 2005 (CDT)


do you mean on the new front page or this one? the tables never seem to work right with me, the image sometimes over the text, the text doing weird word wrap around the image, seems to be varied on my screen size (and maybe browser, haven't tested too much).

-- 08:51, 26 October 2005 (CDT)


The new one. The tables/text/images are all fine on the existing Main Page in every browser I've tried. Maybe if you'd use something more current than Chimera ;) and its Gecko 1.0.1. I suppose we could do full, manual tables to make you happy, but there's a lot more markup/mess involved :-( --sardisson 08:58, 26 October 2005 (CDT)


=P but you are probably right. As for the new page, i took out the table stuff on the oo.o part while i was working on it, hence why the difference =) and we should probably stay away from as much pure HTML as possible, just to keep it simple. i think.

-- 10:47, 26 October 2005 (CDT)


yet again, i want to work on the front page. i think there should be a top section devoted more to download links, especially now that we have oo.ox11 for intel and neo1.2.1 out. i'd like to highlight neolight better for OO.o users as well... hmm. still thinking, will work on newindexthingy and see what I come up with...

-- 15:38, 24 March 2006 (CST)

  1. (diff) (hist) . . ! Template:NeoOfficeDescp; 02:41 . . Sardisson (Talk) (reverted Waldo's edit; the other version in question is OOo; also, pls update Fr and De when editing)
  2. (diff) (hist) . . m! Template:NeoOfficeDescp; 02:39 . . Sardisson (Talk) (Reverted edit of Waldo, changed back to last version by Sardisson)
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