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-'''July 20 update by Samwise :''' +== Using Images instead YES/No? ==
-I changed the price for Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac, since the Standard, non-upgrade edition now costs $399.95 on the online Apple Store; Microsoft's suggested price is $399.00.+I think the page could be more clear if we used images instead of YES/No.
 +Like http://ipodlinux.org/Project_Status
-I changed the number of localizations, since the number of language packs has increased in OOo 2.x; I added a warning since dictionaries are no longer included in language packs, and explained how to get them.+[[User:Val1984|val1984]] 09:22, 16 August 2006 (CDT)
-I changed the OOo revision for OpenOffice.org/X11, I chose 2.0.3 since all versions except 1 use a 2.0.3 codebase, feel free to change it to 2.0.2 if you think it's better.+I concur.
-I changed "runs on Intel-based Macs" from "No" to "Natively" for OpenOffice.org/X11, since officially supported, qa'ed builds are now available.+[[User_talk:Samwise|Samwise]]
-I updated the "Notes" section of the Neo 2.0/OOo-X11 comparison with new information.+For just the YES/No items, right? I think it might look a little odd given that we intermingle YES/No and descriptive answers, but I'm willing to give it a try. Someone find some nice, acceptably-licensed graphics (green circle with a check, red circle with an x) and we can try it out :) Circles, not gears ;)
-I also removed one of the two other comparisons, since it is no longer accessible (the page must have been removed from the server). Don't know what to do with the second one though, there is no version number which could tell whether it is up-to-date or not, and I don't understand German.+—[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 03:06, 17 August 2006 (CDT)
- +
-I think we should also update the section for OOo/X11's partial Finder integration; I believe OOo/X11 2..x doesn't use Start OpenOffice.org anymore, but some kind of AppleScript instead, has anyone got more info about this ?+
-P.S. Very sorry. I initially wrote this in the older (NeoOffice 1.2.2) feature comparison talk page. Stupid me.+I will try to find/draw pictures ASAP and I will make a test page.
 +[[User:Val1984|val1984]] 04:29, 17 August 2006 (CDT)
 + 
 +I think I like the images in general (but hold off on adding them to the English page and the official French page for a while), but can you make the colors a little less "fluorescent"/"neon" looking?
 + 
 +I'll try to find some example images whose red/green I like better :)
 + 
 +—[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]]
 + 
 +Sure I can, I will change them ASAP [[User:Val1984|val1984]] 00:50, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
 + 
 +Much better; thanks! I'm still not 100% on the green, but don't worry about it for now; what we have is good enough for a while. When I'm not about to drive 10 hrs, I'll find a green color that is an example of what my mind is thinking of :)
 + 
 +Thanks for creating these!
 + 
 +—[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]]
 + 
 +Glad you like them enough :)
 + 
 +They are still a bit fluorescent on my Windows box at work.
 + 
 +Can we include these now or wait a bit?
 + 
 +[[User:Val1984|val1984]] 07:01, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
 + 
 +Since they're already on the French page, we might as well sync the two pages (and see if Jake, Waldo or Oscar complain ;) ) —[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 08:33, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
 + 
 +==Other improvements==
 + 
 +I think I'd also like to see more obvious headings and alternating line colors like val1984's iPod Linux site. Does the site do it using the Wiki table syntax, and if so, can we do it easily *without* converting to Wiki tables?
 + 
 +(The Wiki table syntax is OK for small tables, but longer tables are harder to edit/follow that way; even if large tables aren't clearer in HTML--I think they are--the advantage of HTML is that you can edit it in any standard editor, even Neo, and gain readability.)
 + 
 +—[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 03:06, 17 August 2006 (CDT)
 + 
 +They are using the Wiki table syntax :
 + 
 +{| border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" style="text-align: center;"
 +|- style="background:#bfbfbf; font-weight: bold"
 +| [[Generations|Generation]] || LCD || Input || Serial<sup>1</sup> || Hard Drive || [[Glossary#Piezo|Piezo]] || Audio Playback || Recording || Firewire || USB || Power Management || Video Out
 +|-
 +| '''[[Generations#First.2FSecond Generation|1st]]''' || {{y}} || {{y}} || {{y}} || {{y}} || {{y}} || {{y}} || &mdash; || {{y}} || &mdash; || {{n}} || &mdash;
 +|- {{BlueRow}}
 +| '''[[Generations#First.2FSecond Generation|2nd]]''' || {{y}} || {{y}} || {{y}} || {{y}} || {{y}} || {{y}} || &mdash; || {{y}} || &mdash; || {{n}} || &mdash;
 +|}
 + 
 +[[User:Val1984|val1984]] 04:29, 17 August 2006 (CDT)
 + 
 +The background stuff looks like it is just a couple of style tags, nothing that only works easily in wikitable, so we should be able to port that to our table easily :)
 +—[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 06:27, 17 August 2006 (CDT)
 + 
 +We might also think about using links for our * ** *** notes, sort of like how wikipedia does their footnotes. —[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 08:01, 17 August 2006 (CDT)
 + 
 +I agree :)
 + 
 +Is it possible to define stylesheets in the page? Because if we want to change the colors, we will have to find/replace every occurence of the color, it isn't handy :/
 + 
 +[[User:Val1984|val1984]] 08:12, 17 August 2006 (CDT)
 + 
 +No, not unless Jake were to hack them into the default stylesheet :( OTOH, copying the page into an editor and running find/replace all on the color code and then pasting back is pretty simple. ;)
 + 
 +—[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]]
 + 
 +The row colors are now a template (for the style part of the tag), so call them like this:
 + 
 +<pre><nowiki>
 + <tr {{HeaderRow}}><td>foo</td><td>bar</td>
 + <tr><td>foo</td><td>bar</td>
 + <tr {{BlueRow}}><td>foo</td><td>bar</td>
 +</nowiki></pre>
 +—[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 16:56, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

Current revision

Using Images instead YES/No?

I think the page could be more clear if we used images instead of YES/No. Like http://ipodlinux.org/Project_Status

val1984 09:22, 16 August 2006 (CDT)

I concur.

Samwise

For just the YES/No items, right? I think it might look a little odd given that we intermingle YES/No and descriptive answers, but I'm willing to give it a try. Someone find some nice, acceptably-licensed graphics (green circle with a check, red circle with an x) and we can try it out :) Circles, not gears ;)

—sardisson 03:06, 17 August 2006 (CDT)

I will try to find/draw pictures ASAP and I will make a test page. val1984 04:29, 17 August 2006 (CDT)

I think I like the images in general (but hold off on adding them to the English page and the official French page for a while), but can you make the colors a little less "fluorescent"/"neon" looking?

I'll try to find some example images whose red/green I like better :)

—sardisson

Sure I can, I will change them ASAP val1984 00:50, 18 August 2006 (CDT)

Much better; thanks! I'm still not 100% on the green, but don't worry about it for now; what we have is good enough for a while. When I'm not about to drive 10 hrs, I'll find a green color that is an example of what my mind is thinking of :)

Thanks for creating these!

—sardisson

Glad you like them enough :)

They are still a bit fluorescent on my Windows box at work.

Can we include these now or wait a bit?

val1984 07:01, 18 August 2006 (CDT)

Since they're already on the French page, we might as well sync the two pages (and see if Jake, Waldo or Oscar complain ;) ) —sardisson 08:33, 18 August 2006 (CDT)

Other improvements

I think I'd also like to see more obvious headings and alternating line colors like val1984's iPod Linux site. Does the site do it using the Wiki table syntax, and if so, can we do it easily *without* converting to Wiki tables?

(The Wiki table syntax is OK for small tables, but longer tables are harder to edit/follow that way; even if large tables aren't clearer in HTML--I think they are--the advantage of HTML is that you can edit it in any standard editor, even Neo, and gain readability.)

—sardisson 03:06, 17 August 2006 (CDT)

They are using the Wiki table syntax :

LCD Input Serial1 Hard Drive Audio Playback Recording Firewire USB Power Management Video Out
Image:check.png Image:check.png Image:check.png Image:check.png Image:check.png Image:check.png — Image:check.png — Image:redX.png —
Image:check.png Image:check.png Image:check.png Image:check.png Image:check.png Image:check.png — Image:check.png — Image:redX.png —

val1984 04:29, 17 August 2006 (CDT)

The background stuff looks like it is just a couple of style tags, nothing that only works easily in wikitable, so we should be able to port that to our table easily :) —sardisson 06:27, 17 August 2006 (CDT)

We might also think about using links for our * ** *** notes, sort of like how wikipedia does their footnotes. —sardisson 08:01, 17 August 2006 (CDT)

I agree :)

Is it possible to define stylesheets in the page? Because if we want to change the colors, we will have to find/replace every occurence of the color, it isn't handy :/

val1984 08:12, 17 August 2006 (CDT)

No, not unless Jake were to hack them into the default stylesheet :( OTOH, copying the page into an editor and running find/replace all on the color code and then pasting back is pretty simple. ;)

—sardisson

The row colors are now a template (for the style part of the tag), so call them like this: 

 <tr {{HeaderRow}}><td>foo</td><td>bar</td>
 <tr><td>foo</td><td>bar</td>
 <tr {{BlueRow}}><td>foo</td><td>bar</td>

—sardisson 16:56, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

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