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| + | --[[User:Waldo|Waldo]] 23:23, 19 Jun 2005 (CDT) FWIW I think it looks better in my text editor w/ all-caps section headings and/or double-spaces before and after. It sets it apart, visually... | ||
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| --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 12:13, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) (tried to eliminate the "release" and "version" appearing in every sentence. Oscar also thinks we need [http://trinity.neooffice.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=8230#8230 some more detailed app features included] in the announcement; I'd prefer to do this in a third-plus paragraph(s) :-) | --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 12:13, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) (tried to eliminate the "release" and "version" appearing in every sentence. Oscar also thinks we need [http://trinity.neooffice.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=8230#8230 some more detailed app features included] in the announcement; I'd prefer to do this in a third-plus paragraph(s) :-) | ||
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| --[[User:Ovvldc|Ovvldc]] 16:58, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) Did I make that box? Anyway, Flash exports should be added to the list as well. Will edit. | --[[User:Ovvldc|Ovvldc]] 16:58, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) Did I make that box? Anyway, Flash exports should be added to the list as well. Will edit. | ||
| + | --[[User:Waldo|Waldo]] 17:27, 21 May 2005 (CDT) Why is it that of all the features in NeoOffice/J, we make such a big deal about "including the ability to track changes as a document is sent from one user to another"? I think this is an awkward clause we've been trying to jam in for some reason and is totally unnecessary.. it's like saying "including the ability to check your spelling" or "including the ability to make characters italicized".. It's like.. yeah, so? | ||
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| + | --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 05:02, 22 May 2005 (CDT) AIUI, track changes is a key feature for business and collaborative use...and since it's not like Calc can go toe-to-toe with Excel, it's nice to be able to mention that Writer can. This also helps sell file-format compatibility...if Neo/J can handle this complex feature of the Word format... :-) It's also a feature that the competition (at least both Mellel and AbiWord) can't do. | ||
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| + | I'd really like an additional "business-centric" feature in that pgh so that track changes didn't seem so awkward there. I just don't know what that feature is :-) | ||
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| + | --[[User:Waldo|Waldo]] 00:08, 7 Jun 2005 (CDT) I said this commented-out in the doc itself but... | ||
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| + | ''"NeoOffice®/J still has many things that make it look out of place on a Mac so we clearly have a lot of room for improvement in future releases," added Luby. "Nevertheless, I am very pleased with our NeoOffice®/J 1.1 release."'' | ||
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| + | Wha--? You can't end a press release like that!!! Besides completely taking the air out of the whole thing with this huge dis about "out of place on a mac", it looks really unprofessional. If you want to talk about room for improvement (which I wouldn't as it goes without saying for all software) maybe say something such as: | ||
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| + | ''"While I'm extremely pleased with our 1.1 release," said Luby, "I've also got an eye to the future. Mac-ifying NeoOffice®/J is an ongoing effort, and given the community's invaluable contributions, NeoOffice®/J will continue to improve."'' | ||
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| + | ''"This release is just the beginning."'' | ||
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| + | Something upbeat and positive that turns any potential negative into a positive. PLEASE don't write anything apologetic, because (A) there's nothing to apologize for, and (B) a press release is NOT the place for it. | ||
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| + | --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 06:26, 7 Jun 2005 (CDT) I know :-) I just put the two "random" Patrick quotes that had good bits in them in the text where they seemed to best fit, knowing that the rest of you would tidy up the text and move the good bits from the quotes where they would then fit. | ||
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| + | I've "reverted"/re-edited some things where the whole sense/meaning of Patrick's quotes changed. Things seemed clearer after your edits :-) Now just what to do with our two "one-sentence pghs" (adoption of Neo/J and the intro about open source dev. | ||
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| + | --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 07:43, 17 Apr 2005 (CDT) (first stab at a text; suggestions desired!) | ||
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| + | --[[User:Ovvldc|Ovvldc]] 08:07, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) (changed interpunction to break up that one long sentence and altered the second part to start with 'premiere release version'. Also added OpenOffice.org link for background and courtesy) | ||
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| + | --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 12:13, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) (tried to eliminate the "release" and "version" appearing in every sentence. | ||
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| + | --[[User:Waldo|Waldo]] 15:33, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) Touch ups | ||
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| + | --[[User:Waldo|Waldo]] 15:39, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) More touch ups | ||
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| + | --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 15:49, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) Press kit link, a couple of tweaks to Waldo's changes (MSO & WP, Planamesa first b/c of multilingual) some layout changes so the fixed-width table doesn't mork screens. | ||
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| + | --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 16:03, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) Export to MSO, too--that needs to be clear, without too much emphasis on MSO :-( | ||
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| + | --[[User:Ovvldc|Ovvldc]] 17:01, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) Added Flash to export list. | ||
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| + | --[[User:Waldo|Waldo]] 22:28, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) more crap.. added finder/mail integration & minor layout stuff.. in text this may have to be reformatted slightly to look good. Does anyone know [[NeoOffice_Advocacy#Press_and_Other_Activities_of_the_.22NeoOffice.2FJ_Community_Relations.22_Team|where this press release is going]]? It would be nice to get a CNET/news.com story out of it at the least, see who else will pick it up.. | ||
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| + | --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 10:10, 22 Apr 2005 (CDT) Email to non-address to keep spambots off while we draft the release; change back before sending; tweaked the Finder/mail client integration and Mac fonts parts--have a look | ||
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| + | --[[User:Ovvldc|Ovvldc]] 10:11, 22 Apr 2005 (CDT) Added track changes and fixed a typo. | ||
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| + | --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 21:43, 25 Apr 2005 (CDT) I didn't like the one-long-sentence 2nd pgh, either, so it's been split/rewritten. Also rearranged/rewrote a couple of clauses in pgh 3. | ||
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| + | --[[User:Ovvldc|Ovvldc]] 04:42, 26 Apr 2005 (CDT) minor nit: I changed the lost comma at the end of the second paragraph to 'and'. | ||
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| + | --[[User:Waldo|Waldo]] 16:53, 26 Apr 2005 (CDT) some more changes...tried to add some personality. Fixed some spelling stuff.. other changes. Need to make sure that everyone quoted is fine with quotes attributed to them. They should probably read the press release out loud just to make sure they did in fact say it ;) | ||
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| + | --[[User:Waldo|Waldo]] 21:14, 26 Apr 2005 (CDT) added url in first line, more quotes, rearraged some stuff.. trying to make it flow. | ||
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| + | --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 02:27, 27 Apr 2005 (CDT) Trying to keep the cart behind the horse. Commented out the radically un-Patrick sections, and made Ed's fake quotes the meaningful ones. Tweaked some wording to improve flow. Put call for additional help back in the "release proper." Tried to work in "volunteer," esp. in light of Patrick's going back to work, but it should be more prominent. Also, it's getting pretty long, even with the sections commented out, so we need to be mindful. And put the right URL first in the first paragrpah. | ||
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| + | --[[User:Ovvldc|Ovvldc]] 05:20, 27 Apr 2005 (CDT) Changed *free* into free. Should there be a mention of the 4000 hours of voluntary developer time that have gone into this application? | ||
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| + | --[[User:Ovvldc|Ovvldc]] 05:28, 27 Apr 2005 (CDT) took away the double quotes around Real Mac Application, as that suggests the term is vague. | ||
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| + | --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 22:49, 27 Apr 2005 (CDT) I don't like that "real mac application" header at all, because even without the quotes it's vague. To some people it means cocoa, to others an X11 app that runs on the Mac is a real Mac app, because it doesn't need an emulator, e.g. VPC. But I don't know what to replace that heading with yet.... | ||
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| + | --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 22:36, 2 May 2005 (CDT) Should we mention something about hoping to have a CD distribution network up for people without broadband? | ||
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| + | --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 01:20, 5 May 2005 (CDT) Added line to "About NeoOffice.org" section with trademark info. And fix "OS X"--it's properly Mac OS X, of course. | ||
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| + | --[[User:JKT|JKT]] 09:36, 5 May 2005 (CDT) Corrected spelling mistake in the first paragraph "NeoOffice®/J 1.1 is availabe[sic] today" to "available" and corrected "Mac OS X 1.4[sic] "Tiger" Spotlight support" to read "10.4" | ||
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| + | --[[User:Waldo|Waldo]] 03:43, 6 May 2005 (CDT) I changed a paragraph that repeated the word "features" and then changed the next paragraph to improve flow. Also removed a comma that shouldn't ahve been there. Also changed tense and altered the currently unused comment so it could come from any neo/j community member. | ||
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| + | --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 18:40, 6 May 2005 (CDT) added end-of-release statement about other trademarks, like Apple has. | ||
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| + | --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 18:27, 7 May 2005 (CDT) added JKT's revised "feature-complete office solution" pgh. | ||
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| + | --[[User:Waldo|Waldo]] 15:25, 8 May 2005 (CDT) removed "offers/offers" in two sequential paragraphs + got rid of unneccessary comma. Also got rid of "the documents and features of" in relation to MS Office and WP, because that phrase sounded weird. | ||
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| + | --[[User:JKT|JKT]] 09:39, 9 May 2005 (CDT) Shifted "(including the ability to track changes as a document is sent from one user to another)" to be immediately after Microsoft Officeâ„¢ as opposed to Corel Wordperfectâ„¢ - I'm unsure it applies to Wordperfect and the way it was originally written (by me ;-)) implied that it did. If Wordperfect does support track changes compatibility then feel free to move it back. | ||
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| + | --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 01:52, 21 May 2005 (CDT) Test-marketing some replacement headings for the "A Real Macintosh Application" section. Also, it looks like WP-PC does support Track Changes [http://www.wpvsword.com/WP9vsWord9/file.htm], but I don't know if <tt>libwpd</tt> handles these, since I don't have a sample doc. For now, I've moved it back the way it used to be, though. | ||
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| + | --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 04:37, 24 May 2005 (CDT) Added note about Mac OS X versions to "Pricing and Availability" section. | ||
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| - | + | --[[User:Sardisson|sardisson]] 06:47, 26 May 2005 (CDT) Adding a modification of [[User:rays|Ray]]'s suggeston for replacing "a real mac app"; remove "Making OOo Mac-friendly" if everyone likes Ray's. | |
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Current revision
--Waldo 23:23, 19 Jun 2005 (CDT) FWIW I think it looks better in my text editor w/ all-caps section headings and/or double-spaces before and after. It sets it apart, visually...
--sardisson 12:13, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) (tried to eliminate the "release" and "version" appearing in every sentence. Oscar also thinks we need some more detailed app features included in the announcement; I'd prefer to do this in a third-plus paragraph(s) :-)
--Ovvldc 13:18, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) (Good work. 3rd paragraph is also a good idea. Reminds me of a journalism course: most imporant stuff first, and you should be able to clip paragraphs starting from the bottom. I suggest we work out the pros at Trinity. BTW, your box is an html table..)
--knutkja 15:23, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) Regarding native: Isn't it sufficent to say native, and move the X11-sentence further down? (As a more tech-oriented paragraph at the end?) Or isn't that clear enough? Neo/J is *not* OOo, so it doesn't have to say what its not doing... [Haven't edited, just asking.] :)
--sardisson 15:49, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) Ahh, I was expecting a pretty CSS box like you did in Talk:Main_Page, Oscar :-)
--Ovvldc 16:58, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) Did I make that box? Anyway, Flash exports should be added to the list as well. Will edit.
--Waldo 17:27, 21 May 2005 (CDT) Why is it that of all the features in NeoOffice/J, we make such a big deal about "including the ability to track changes as a document is sent from one user to another"? I think this is an awkward clause we've been trying to jam in for some reason and is totally unnecessary.. it's like saying "including the ability to check your spelling" or "including the ability to make characters italicized".. It's like.. yeah, so?
--sardisson 05:02, 22 May 2005 (CDT) AIUI, track changes is a key feature for business and collaborative use...and since it's not like Calc can go toe-to-toe with Excel, it's nice to be able to mention that Writer can. This also helps sell file-format compatibility...if Neo/J can handle this complex feature of the Word format... :-) It's also a feature that the competition (at least both Mellel and AbiWord) can't do.
I'd really like an additional "business-centric" feature in that pgh so that track changes didn't seem so awkward there. I just don't know what that feature is :-)
--Waldo 00:08, 7 Jun 2005 (CDT) I said this commented-out in the doc itself but...
"NeoOffice®/J still has many things that make it look out of place on a Mac so we clearly have a lot of room for improvement in future releases," added Luby. "Nevertheless, I am very pleased with our NeoOffice®/J 1.1 release."
Wha--? You can't end a press release like that!!! Besides completely taking the air out of the whole thing with this huge dis about "out of place on a mac", it looks really unprofessional. If you want to talk about room for improvement (which I wouldn't as it goes without saying for all software) maybe say something such as:
"While I'm extremely pleased with our 1.1 release," said Luby, "I've also got an eye to the future. Mac-ifying NeoOffice®/J is an ongoing effort, and given the community's invaluable contributions, NeoOffice®/J will continue to improve."
"This release is just the beginning."
Something upbeat and positive that turns any potential negative into a positive. PLEASE don't write anything apologetic, because (A) there's nothing to apologize for, and (B) a press release is NOT the place for it.
--sardisson 06:26, 7 Jun 2005 (CDT) I know :-) I just put the two "random" Patrick quotes that had good bits in them in the text where they seemed to best fit, knowing that the rest of you would tidy up the text and move the good bits from the quotes where they would then fit.
I've "reverted"/re-edited some things where the whole sense/meaning of Patrick's quotes changed. Things seemed clearer after your edits :-) Now just what to do with our two "one-sentence pghs" (adoption of Neo/J and the intro about open source dev.
Old Changelog
--sardisson 07:43, 17 Apr 2005 (CDT) (first stab at a text; suggestions desired!)
--Ovvldc 08:07, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) (changed interpunction to break up that one long sentence and altered the second part to start with 'premiere release version'. Also added OpenOffice.org link for background and courtesy)
--sardisson 12:13, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) (tried to eliminate the "release" and "version" appearing in every sentence.
--Waldo 15:33, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) Touch ups
--Waldo 15:39, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) More touch ups
--sardisson 15:49, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) Press kit link, a couple of tweaks to Waldo's changes (MSO & WP, Planamesa first b/c of multilingual) some layout changes so the fixed-width table doesn't mork screens.
--sardisson 16:03, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) Export to MSO, too--that needs to be clear, without too much emphasis on MSO :-(
--Ovvldc 17:01, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) Added Flash to export list.
--Waldo 22:28, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT) more crap.. added finder/mail integration & minor layout stuff.. in text this may have to be reformatted slightly to look good. Does anyone know where this press release is going? It would be nice to get a CNET/news.com story out of it at the least, see who else will pick it up..
--sardisson 10:10, 22 Apr 2005 (CDT) Email to non-address to keep spambots off while we draft the release; change back before sending; tweaked the Finder/mail client integration and Mac fonts parts--have a look
--Ovvldc 10:11, 22 Apr 2005 (CDT) Added track changes and fixed a typo.
--sardisson 21:43, 25 Apr 2005 (CDT) I didn't like the one-long-sentence 2nd pgh, either, so it's been split/rewritten. Also rearranged/rewrote a couple of clauses in pgh 3.
--Ovvldc 04:42, 26 Apr 2005 (CDT) minor nit: I changed the lost comma at the end of the second paragraph to 'and'.
--Waldo 16:53, 26 Apr 2005 (CDT) some more changes...tried to add some personality. Fixed some spelling stuff.. other changes. Need to make sure that everyone quoted is fine with quotes attributed to them. They should probably read the press release out loud just to make sure they did in fact say it ;)
--Waldo 21:14, 26 Apr 2005 (CDT) added url in first line, more quotes, rearraged some stuff.. trying to make it flow.
--sardisson 02:27, 27 Apr 2005 (CDT) Trying to keep the cart behind the horse. Commented out the radically un-Patrick sections, and made Ed's fake quotes the meaningful ones. Tweaked some wording to improve flow. Put call for additional help back in the "release proper." Tried to work in "volunteer," esp. in light of Patrick's going back to work, but it should be more prominent. Also, it's getting pretty long, even with the sections commented out, so we need to be mindful. And put the right URL first in the first paragrpah.
--Ovvldc 05:20, 27 Apr 2005 (CDT) Changed *free* into free. Should there be a mention of the 4000 hours of voluntary developer time that have gone into this application?
--Ovvldc 05:28, 27 Apr 2005 (CDT) took away the double quotes around Real Mac Application, as that suggests the term is vague.
--sardisson 22:49, 27 Apr 2005 (CDT) I don't like that "real mac application" header at all, because even without the quotes it's vague. To some people it means cocoa, to others an X11 app that runs on the Mac is a real Mac app, because it doesn't need an emulator, e.g. VPC. But I don't know what to replace that heading with yet....
--sardisson 22:36, 2 May 2005 (CDT) Should we mention something about hoping to have a CD distribution network up for people without broadband?
--sardisson 01:20, 5 May 2005 (CDT) Added line to "About NeoOffice.org" section with trademark info. And fix "OS X"--it's properly Mac OS X, of course.
-- 09:36, 5 May 2005 (CDT) Corrected spelling mistake in the first paragraph "NeoOffice®/J 1.1 is availabe[sic] today" to "available" and corrected "Mac OS X 1.4[sic] "Tiger" Spotlight support" to read "10.4"
--Waldo 03:43, 6 May 2005 (CDT) I changed a paragraph that repeated the word "features" and then changed the next paragraph to improve flow. Also removed a comma that shouldn't ahve been there. Also changed tense and altered the currently unused comment so it could come from any neo/j community member.
--sardisson 18:40, 6 May 2005 (CDT) added end-of-release statement about other trademarks, like Apple has.
--sardisson 18:27, 7 May 2005 (CDT) added JKT's revised "feature-complete office solution" pgh.
--Waldo 15:25, 8 May 2005 (CDT) removed "offers/offers" in two sequential paragraphs + got rid of unneccessary comma. Also got rid of "the documents and features of" in relation to MS Office and WP, because that phrase sounded weird.
-- 09:39, 9 May 2005 (CDT) Shifted "(including the ability to track changes as a document is sent from one user to another)" to be immediately after Microsoft Officeâ„¢ as opposed to Corel Wordperfectâ„¢ - I'm unsure it applies to Wordperfect and the way it was originally written (by me ;-)) implied that it did. If Wordperfect does support track changes compatibility then feel free to move it back.
--sardisson 01:52, 21 May 2005 (CDT) Test-marketing some replacement headings for the "A Real Macintosh Application" section. Also, it looks like WP-PC does support Track Changes [1], but I don't know if libwpd handles these, since I don't have a sample doc. For now, I've moved it back the way it used to be, though.
--sardisson 04:37, 24 May 2005 (CDT) Added note about Mac OS X versions to "Pricing and Availability" section.
--sardisson 22:29, 24 May 2005 (CDT) Waldo cleaned up a number of paragraphs earlier today and forgot to leave a note here :-)
--sardisson 06:47, 26 May 2005 (CDT) Adding a modification of 's suggeston for replacing "a real mac app"; remove "Making OOo Mac-friendly" if everyone likes Ray's.
