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[edit] Wiki Discussion

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[edit] Obsolete Discussion

[edit] just a test

i've upgraded to 1.6.8, just making sure things are working.

--Jake 14:43, 6 August 2006 (CDT)

[edit] Discussion RE: "versions" on Main Page

the other version in question is OOo; also, pls update Fr and De when editing) --sardisson 05:41, May 28, 2006 (CDT)

If that's the case, it's pretty unclear. Someone coming to the wiki may have never heard of OO.o. Also, "the other version" was clearly originally written as a comparison with NeoOffice/C (then called NeoOffice). In fact, I think it was introduced by something like: "This is the site for not one, but two versions" of OpenOffice for Mac... As far as editing the other langauges, sorry... :) --Waldo 18:44, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

Jake pretty explicitly set up the text so that "the version for new users" is Neo and "the version of UNIXy people" is OOo. Maybe that's unclear in the context of the Welcome message (which has been that way ever since Neo/C got moved to a single link over a year ago), but as long as we still have OOo-related content here, it's valid. We need to discuss with Jake the future of the OOo-related content, or other changes.... --sardisson 23:38, 28 May 2006 (CDT)

i have been trying to keep the oo.o sections up to date with information. as little documentation there is for OO.o on the mac, i think that it is important. now that trinity doesn't have an oo.o section, and the porting group will have nothing to do with anything with the word 'neo' in it, i'm not sure how many people will see it though.

to comment on your comment waldo, the original wiki stated it was not for one, but THREE versions of openoffice.org for the mac...

and it may be time to clean up the 'talk' page. Jake 20:46, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

[edit] User Addition

I have made it so only sysops can make users. this will hopefully help with the spam. it also means, however, that we will need a way for new users to contact us to get an account. Like this New User


--Jake 15:02, 10 October 2005 (CDT)

[edit] Templates

I added a section into the editing page with current templates. Hopefully this will keep wheel inventing to a minimum. I divided it into style templates and content templates. If you know more, please add them (and if we have any crossovers, lets consoldate).

--Jake 14:12, 18 October 2005 (CDT)

[edit] To-do

  • Enable link to New User on the Special:Userlogin page
  • get new user email to work...
  • Rewrite foo on the page titles of the language-specific wikis
    i.e., so Fr:Accueil appears as "Accueil" but keeps the namespace internally, since it's needed for cross-language links.
  • Make the cross-language links show up in a box in the sidebar, just like at wikipedia
  • Enable additional shorthands so the language-specific pages can easily link to an article in their version of the Wikipedia
    In the English wiki, we go Wikipedia:XML, but we need a shortcut Wikipedia:fr:XML or something, so the French pages don't have Wikipedia:XML [en] or the longhand links
    There's some file you (jake) can edit to add these
    I think this might be related to the cross-language links/namespace stuff, actually
    Nevermind, the shortcut I entered works, at least for French :-)

I've also added a new Category, Fixme [[Category:Fixme]] for articles that need substantial updates or fixes. Don't tag the Rebranding stuff, but pages that are otherwise out of date or stub articles can be tagged and we can get a collection.

--sardisson 04:17, 8 November 2005 (CST)

[edit] NeoWiki Style Guide

Please adhere to the NeoWiki Style Guide when adding new pages or editing existing pages. The Style Guide can be found in Help:Editing.

[edit] Main_Page content questions and discussion

When did we lose "NeoOffice/J" or the like from the first sentence below Welcome? We talk about 3 apps on the main page; which of them is the "Mac OS X port of OpenOffice.org"? Or are we meaning that generically? People who visit the main page might be confused?

--sardisson 18:33, 28 Mar 2005 (CST)

i put NeoOffice back in... there is a definate confusion i think amounst all of the NeoOffice pages about what Neo really is. I've started talking to Ed and Patrick about it. so, more to follow. --Jake 11:47, 29 Mar 2005 (CST)

I thought back in December it was decided to go with "NeoOffice/J" through the 1.x releases and "NeoOffice" once it hit 2.0 and had "full" aquafication?

I think we need to try and get "NeoOffice" out of use for a while as an app name ("NeoOffice.org" and "the NeoOffice project[s]" excepted) because "NeoOffice" the app still means NeoOffice/C to a lot of people (hard to promote the new name of an app if the app was renamed after development ceased :D), and it's confusing to use NeoOffice for /J, too.... Anyway. My head is foggy tonight.... --sardisson 01:12, 30 Mar 2005 (CST)

FWIW I agree.. I'd use neooffice/J and /C up until the 2.0 release. I think that's clearer. The downside is people think it's written in java, but oh well. --Waldo 14:14, 30 Mar 2005 (CST)

[edit] Random Quotes Idea

I wish that MediaWiki had an option to do a "random quote"-- ie, something like:

?This is quote one|this is quote two|etc?

where every time you loaded the page, one of the above choices would appear.

Why?

I'd love to see random testimonials like this on the front page:

"I am in love" --AnonyCoward

"Tx to all of you guys to make this wonderful alternative to MS Office." --PD150

"I downloaded Neooffice yesterday and am flabbergasted" --Falk

etc

--Waldo 22:08, 21 Apr 2005 (CDT)

That would be cool! Can we suggest it for the next version?

--sardisson 10:11, 22 Apr 2005 (CDT)

I suppose it couldn't hurt to try. Maybe the other idea is to do a page of endorsements, complements, thanks, and kudos from the public and just link to it.. call it "testimonials" or something..?

--Waldo 14:21, 22 Apr 2005 (CDT)

[edit] What's Left To Do

  • Templates (let's hide some of these wacky headers, tabs, edit buttons, and get a larger default font?)
Here's the MediaWiki CSS reference http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_styles (next time I have a weekend.... sardsson)
  • Plus that NeoWiki:Copyrights link at the bottom needs its details :-)

[edit] Notes from the jake-of-all-trades

Ok, so I found out more about the skins. they are generated almost entirely by PHP. This is good, my PHP is better than my CSS, but this also means that i have to be careful as to not break anything. I'll play with it some later. Main things, to see about moving some of the top things to 'logged in only' mode and to get more links on the side (to match the main page)

Ideally I'd make a page that looked just like Tavi for the unlogged, and then when you logged in this would be what you saw, but we'll see.

THe front page (neooffice.org) should be updated.

I was trying to think of a way we could make a 'developer' page for us to discuss the wiki (maybe even experiment) without getting in the way of the main site. more to follow.

-j ps. chimera doesn't like the editing type buttons.

What "editing type buttons"? And why are you still using Chimera? -sa

the buttons at the top of the edit window, you know dig sig and things like that. and i use chimera because i don't like camino. (see rant in trinity)

--Jake 07:00, 1 Feb 2005 (CST)

Ah, well, they do work in Camino. I missed the rant but I'll look it up :-)

--sardisson 17:26, 1 Feb 2005 (CST)



[edit] Old Discussion on adopting MediaWiki as the new NeoWiki

[edit] Wiki software successfully installed.

Please see documentation on customizing the interface and the User's Guide for usage and configuration help.

[edit] New Section

WikiWords don't seem to work here; unsure whether this is good or bad.

Overall, MediaWiki will take a little bit of getting used to (the new/different formatting conventions in the wiki), but it seems nice enough in my limited time playing around (hmm, how do I set my timezone?) If it can lock it down a bit (so that people at least must log in--deter the casual folks who I think are the ones messing with things now) it might be worth it, if Jake feels he can get the template set up OK.

Lots of pages in the old wiki are only linked from one other page, so care will be needed bringing it over....

--sardisson 23:11, 30 Dec 2004 (CST)

[edit] More sections

I personally dislike WikiWords because they are too techie and frequently you do not want them to link. Time zone is set in your preferences page, BTW. I find MediaWiki nice to administer as well, though I haven't tried editing the skins.

New version (1.4.0) is coming out soon (I helped test it - busy little ant). Not that many new features that you'll need here, though.

BTW, you can set it up to only allow registered users to edit by putting the following line into your localsetting.php:

$wgWhitelistEdit = true;

Ovvldc 19:05, 1 Jan 2005 (CST)

[edit] Another section

So, I now think this looks really busy, too many little "edit" buttons all over and tocs and links and so forth. (Thanks, Waldo, for bringing everything over...it made things easier to see in a real-life comparison!) Don't know if editing the templates can help here or not. Hmm. What're the latest feelings about this, jake?

--sardisson 02:27, 14 Jan 2005 (CST)

i think the style of the media wiki is to have all of those edits.

however, that should be a sign, if there are 'too many' edits, the page is probably too long (unless it is a FAQ or something) and perhaps some organization is needed.

j(?)

It puts the little edit thing every place you have a header/section. I've turned them, and the annoying tables-of-contents, off in my user prefs, so it's surely possible to disable them in your new template, too :-) I think the place the "edits" most bothered me was on the main page and now the FAQ....

-sa

[edit] Front Page Re-org

not really a redesign, per se (though i want to figure out what is wrong with the tables), but just a re-org idea. Basically lets move the /c to the bottom and make it ONLY a single line of text, something like "to see legacy information on the /c version, click here" and then move the X11 part up, maybe make it feel not so much like a stepchild. Of course we'll drop the /J from Neo (yay!) and just talk about how it uses cocoa and java to make magic happen. (does that make patrick and ed elves? hmm...) so like this (example is text only)

NeoOffice - Cocoa and Java!!

NeoLight - Spotlight, OpenDocuments, Happiness!

OO.oX11 Cool stuff for Unix Geeks!

Neo/C - Archive, you REALLY want Neo

thoughts?

--Jake 08:25, 24 October 2005 (CDT)

edit, started a sandbox front page to test stuff: Newmainpage --Jake 08:49, 24 October 2005 (CDT)

So what is up with the table for OOo? The same exact structure we use for Neo/J, Neo/C, NeoL...works in a completely different way for OOo. How odd?! --sardisson 17:59, 24 October 2005 (CDT)


do you mean on the new front page or this one? the tables never seem to work right with me, the image sometimes over the text, the text doing weird word wrap around the image, seems to be varied on my screen size (and maybe browser, haven't tested too much).

--Jake 08:51, 26 October 2005 (CDT)


The new one. The tables/text/images are all fine on the existing Main Page in every browser I've tried. Maybe if you'd use something more current than Chimera ;) and its Gecko 1.0.1. I suppose we could do full, manual tables to make you happy, but there's a lot more markup/mess involved :-( --sardisson 08:58, 26 October 2005 (CDT)


=P but you are probably right. As for the new page, i took out the table stuff on the oo.o part while i was working on it, hence why the difference =) and we should probably stay away from as much pure HTML as possible, just to keep it simple. i think.

--Jake 10:47, 26 October 2005 (CDT)


yet again, i want to work on the front page. i think there should be a top section devoted more to download links, especially now that we have oo.ox11 for intel and neo1.2.1 out. i'd like to highlight neolight better for OO.o users as well... hmm. still thinking, will work on newindexthingy and see what I come up with...

--Jake 15:38, 24 March 2006 (CST)

  1. (diff) (hist) . . ! Template:NeoOfficeDescp; 02:41 . . Sardisson (Talk) (reverted Waldo's edit; the other version in question is OOo; also, pls update Fr and De when editing)
  2. (diff) (hist) . . m! Template:NeoOfficeDescp; 02:39 . . Sardisson (Talk) (Reverted edit of Waldo, changed back to last version by Sardisson)
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